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Paradox Ref by DemonML Paradox Ref by DemonML
Taking a break from commissions. Finally made a ref for Paradox.

She is rather thickly built compared to most other MTTs and her tail is more than twice as long as her body. Unlike others of her kind, her mouth color is not the same as the color of her inner ear (it is blue rather than green)

Paradox and art (c) =DemonML
MTTs (c) *annicron
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Falfal2000 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Professional Photographer
i love paradox shes awesome you did a great job on her.
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013   Digital Artist
thank you
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Falfal2000 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Professional Photographer
your soooooooo very welcome i love your work so much
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Spoofdty Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
THIS...SENTENCE...IS...FALSE!!!
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IssuesAndDrama Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ooo, she is beautiful!
I love the way you did her neck/face
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Gryphoniss Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
She looks beautiful! I love the anatomy on this one, especially the definition of the muscles on her shoulders and back. I don't think she's fat :I I find her build a lot better looking than that of most other MTTs. It's much more natural.
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Mereneth Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
This character reminds me of one of my own in a way. Mostly the lithe body and long tail, though with mine the tail is prehensile and has a sharp barb.
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fireheartsilverwind Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Lovely character, I really love those colors 8D
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012   Digital Artist
thank you c:
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fireheartsilverwind Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
you're welcome
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Kamki-Chan Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Student Digital Artist
*looks at all the talk/arguing/conversation about anatomy* That escalated quickly... xD

I love the way you made the front part of the neck. c:
So adorable. ; u;
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012   Digital Artist
thanks c:
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vosa2011 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
very cool.
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tonystardreamer Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I love the designs you used for the coloring.
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Odahviing Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Quite fantastic! I love the colours :)
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sugar-hype99 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Wow, nicely detailed! Ah ha, I feel better for making mine a bit more muscular than I intended in the tryout for him. Also: yay! I'm not the only one to connect the head to the neck like that! (Though less pronounced)
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TyraDragoness Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The anatomy is great!!
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Bakaar Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
I guess I make mine fat too then? because DeLorean has a belly more like hers, and I think I made Cake "fatter" than she is. :XD: Of course my anatomy isn't even close to as good as yours...this is quite amazing. She is a very pretty MTT, and I like her very much. C:
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
thank you c:
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theguynobodyknows Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
looks awesome
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
thanks guy c:
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theguynobodyknows Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
you are welcome
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FireKittyArt Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
I like how she's "thick" though. This looks much healthier than other MTT's....:L
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
they have no guts :iconsadfaceplz:
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FireKittyArt Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
I know! :iconcryforeverplz:
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microcharge Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
She looks great c:
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
thanks
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
If that's thickly built I have a hard time imagining what the normal build looks like in a realistic setting. ;-;
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
(I don't really like how thin MTTs are either)
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
I just.

Okay that's a really thin and lanky build that could work wonderfully for speed, like the one you got is great???

How is that thick I.

mY BIOLOGY SENSES ARE SHRIEKIGNFGHNFGH,JGH

lays down

weeps at MTTs for centuries.

Weeps and sobs I wanna fix them like Fix-It Felix.................
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IrisHime Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I think you're being a little harsh with your criticisms of their anatomy.

It's fine if you take issue with their bright colours, or their abilities to transform - even though there are many mythological creatures that transform. Or even scifi creatures. And the MTT universe is meant to be a scifi.

There are plenty of things in fictional species that could not happen in real life. But if you're stuck on it, that's fine.

What bugs me is that you are going on about how anatomically they would just fall over and die, and that if =DemonML's Paradox is "muscular" for her species, then you don't want to even think about the rest.

Actually, I would not say that Pandora looks very muscular. I think that she could be much more defined. her head here also looks too large and/or her body is too small. Really it just looks like some of Pandora's musculature is more defined and noticeable. Not that she is bulkier. In some places she looks even leaner than Mari.

If you look at Mari - [link]
his build is not impossibly skinny. He's got a round barrel chest, decent waist, and small head. He's got decent sized paws to support his balance, and he does not look like a skeleton wrapped in skin. Mari is the species standard. It's really not *annicron's job to police the people who DO draw them like skeletons with skin on top, because that is simply their interpretations in their style. Much like this is =DemonML's interpretation of a "robust" MTT in her style.

Lastly, I'd just like to say, that whippets (a real, and existing animal, with real anatomy) are far skinnier than MTT - [link] [link] [link]

So I must disagree with your "Technically they would pretty much die the instant they hit the ground. They look like very unviable and unhealthy creatures, to be honest." statement.

And if you are going to tell me that Whippets are not wild animals or strictly carnivorous hunters - neither are MTT. They are sentient lifeforms and spend most of their lifetime in their humanoid forms. But, just for good measure, check out the cheetah, who is also skinnier than Mari:

[link] [link] [link]
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IrisHime Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
*Paradox, not Pandora. Whups.
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nathow111 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think you're over thinking this.
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IrisHime Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Was this directed at me, or =Emerilla or both of us? :XD:
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nathow111 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Mostly emerilla, but both.
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IrisHime Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm really only over-thinking it in response.
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
In terms of speculative biology, it isn't overthinking in the slightest. When making realistic species, often times the effort to make them believable is immense and very in-depth.

A good reference to this work would be the book Expedition, by Wayne Douglas Barlowe.
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nathow111 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well. Did the person who made the species say they wanted to make them as realistic as possible?
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
Idek man but it's still a fun subject to delve into.

when they're just open little pockets it just sorta leaves so much to be desired. Why does this work, why does that work? Figuring it all out is fun.
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
I love discussion, yo.

Okay, so from my understanding, these are not mythological animals, but are apparently biologically and scientifically based. Those typical 'experiment' species. You can't wish away aspects with magic, in this case then. So would the bright colors come from the genes of fish, reptiles or birds? Or are they synthesized pigments implanted? As for transformation, there would have to be a lot of explanation. Things like metamorphosis, like in amphibians or insects. How long would the process take and what kind of energy is expended? The sticklegs, what are their purpose, how fast does the metamorphical process last to change from claws to sticks, why are they sticks if sticks do not provide any form of traction?

I've seen the rest and frankly they hardly make sense.

Alright, so it seems these guys are built for speed. Okay that's fine.

But, what exactly is going on with these things? Why were they made? Are they made for testing medicines or conditions, or made to be designer pets for people? In that case, the sentience would get in the way. Are they a feral breed, something that was once domestic but now runs amok breeding on their own, something that is out of control of their creators much like Africanized honey bees? Do they now have some semblance of organization like feral dog packs?

If they spend the majority in humanoid form, what physiological faculties control that metamorphic state? Is the change permanent, like a tadpole growing into a frog?
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IrisHime Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I love discussion as well. and I do have a fondness for anatomy/physiology, so I can understand the occasional hang-ups. But I am also willing to let some things go, because hey - it's just for fun, and *annicron has stated (multiple times) that she never intended for the MTT species to become so popular. People just happened to really like them.

Unfortunately, I do not have all of the answers to your questions, even though I would love to answer them: since I'm not the species creator, I can only answer the questions that I have specific answers to, and the rest would only be hypothesis, or need to be directed at *annicron.

- They're not mythologically based, so there are elements that cannot be 'wished away'with magic. You are correct. However, I was giving more an example of fictional species as a whole than anything. They are indeed more scientifically based, but again I would like to remind - it's supposed to be science fiction.

- I'm not strictly sure where the bright colourations come from, but my understanding is that it is genetic rather than implanted pigmentation; there are rules for the colourations on young/infant MTT in accordance to the colouration of the parents. Thereby, I can only assume that it is genetically related.

- I am not certain how long transformations take either, but I do know for certain that it is not a metamorphosis - they do not start as stick-legged dragons, turn into regular-legged dragons, and then humanoids. I would gather that it's more like a werewolf's transformation, but triggered consciously, not whenever there is a full moon. Which again is more fantasy/lore based, but there's not reason that it can't be adapted for science fiction. If I had to guesstimate a time, it would be very swift-happening. Again, like a warewolf.

- likewise, I don't know the energy process expended.

- Ann's initial explanation for the stick legs was that they would help to improve the MTT's speed ("a quick getaway"), I would gather much in like the cheetah and the whippet have dainty paws. She has later recanted this explanation and merely said that she just gave the species stick legs because it is fun. However, I do think that the first explanation holds some water to it, because their long toes WOULD get in the way for an animal that is built for speed. Since I am supposing the shift between their regular legs and their stick legs to be rather swift, it probably could help. Especially if their home-terrain is rocky and difficult to navigate with cumbersome paws. Also, there's nothing to say that stick-legs don't have traction. Crabs have little stick legs, after all, and they seem to get along just fine. Also, another alien species to have stick legs - [link] [link] [link] the Tyranids, from Warhammer. They are also scifi based, and those legs of theirs makes them both notoriously fast and dangerous. (Just an example of another stick-legged alien, and the purpose those legs serve)

- I'm not sure which rest you are referring to here. If you're referring to rest of the MTTs around, then sure. there are plenty of people who draw them inaccurately: too skinny, too unhealthy and unrealistic looking. etc. But some people are still young, some people are not as passionate about anatomy, and some people don't understand anatomy all together.

- what are they made of? bone, muscle, sinew, blood, and skin. I know expressly that they have blood and muscle (their blood is stated to be yellow, and MTT meat is often sold on the black market as a delicacy). I've never seen an MTT's bones, but I am very certain that they have them. They do not have fur, but it has been expressed that their skin has a rubber-like texture/quality to it. I would imagine something between a dolphin and a gecko.

- They are neither for medical testing or to be designer pets. MTT are an alien species. A parasitic species at that; they planet hop after becoming the dominant species on a planet and then polluting it. As I said, they are a sentient species. After becoming the dominant lifeform on their own planet (and subsequently turning it uninhabitable), they began to leave and take over other planets. an MTT's traditional form is it's 'dragon form'. They aren't really dragons, humans just didn't have a better word for them. However, after several generations they are slowly capable of evolving to take on a form very similar to the dominant life form of that planet. It is a change that they are able to consciously facilitate somehow, but it takes generations to do so. Once they have accomplished this 'mimicry' they find a way to interbreed with the dominant life-form on the planet, and as they have many superior genes, they eventually breed out the original species on the planet until it is theirs. They have been doing this for who knows how long - centuries? perhaps even eons. But they are an invasive, parasitic species, that (very unintentionally) ruin and destroy any planet that they come in contact with.

The MTTs that you see in the club have quite some while ago landed on earth, and evolved far enough to take on humanoid forms, but they are still incapable of procreating with human beings.
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
Yeah Annicron popped in so now I'm askin' her questions. Uhh it would make sense to question the creator rather than fans, since the creator knows best about the created!

My only issue is still, that stick legs provide little to no traction and will not allow for 'quick getaways' in the slightest. That's kinda a dire goof in that sense. Things like cheetahs have permanently extended claws for a reason. The provide the traction necessary to cover large amounts of ground in little time, but even then that time is limited due to physical endurance factors. Crabs, on the other hand, are slower animals. They can move pretty fast if needed, but also they have far more than four limbs to do so. But just a few sticky legs, especially on rocky terrain? That could get stuck and things would start breaking and it won't be pretty.

People with poorer understanding of anatomy I can get, yeh.

That aspect of extreme parasitism is rather unsightly. But not in a bad way, the very nature of parasitic life tends to be gruesome. But what I'm seeing is that they overtake an environment by pushing out the dominant life force, yes? If so that would be somewhat odd in some ways, as environments have keystone species, things that if they are taken out, the entire ecosystem will crash. These keystone species are not always the dominant species, either. They could be a plant, or some universal prey animal. So would that mean the MTTs squeeze out everything and fit into all niches before it becomes too cumbersome and they have to move once more? Or do they just take out the dominant force while leaving all else intact? Do they move using the hosts' technology or their own?
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annicron Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What you, in all your hate for this species, fail to understand is that all this species is meant to be is fun. They look the way they do because it's cool and because it's fun to draw. I am not aspiring for legitimacy or plausibility. I am aiming for fun. It's that simple. You are taking this species far more seriously than I ever have.

Also, they are aliens. If you actually bothered to even try and look into it, you would find that I have answered most of the questions you've asked here. But of course, this species is so innately shitty that they don't deserve as much effort as that. I am fine with people talking shit about the MTTs, but I want them to talk shit for legitimate reasons. You are judging this species based on criteria I am not even aiming for.

But somehow I doubt any of that matters to you. People are not allowed to draw things for simple fun and enjoyment, after all.
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
Well, fun differs ya know? I suppose on my end, fun is looking into things as much as possible, when making up critters n' stuff. Explaining everything in a way that it would make sense in a real world setting. Or as much sense as it can make.

I ain't gunna lie in that I know I can get pretty harsh on them. I make valid points, but yes, they come off as harsh. I know this.

Do yu have exact links I could look at to snoop out this information you speak of?

Though I appreciate that you yourself have come up to the plate, if that makes any sense.
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annicron Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well I have to admit it kind of stops being fun on my end when you are constantly going around and talking shit about them, without even ever having bothered to look into them at all. You are always there to give your two cents every time someone, somewhere, says anything negative about them, sometimes also when no one says anything at all. I'm not even going to pretend I am not bothered by the attitude you've chosen to take regarding this species, mainly because apparently you don't actually know anything about them.

All I ask is that you know your shit before you talk shit. All information on the MTTs can very easily be found in #ClubMTT, in the Resources folder: [link].
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
Some of them have no guts......how....:iconlazycryplz: (and compared so how they're "supposed" to be, I guess, Paradox is.....fat.....i don't even...)
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
wh

What do you mean they have no guts.

I mean carnivorous animals tend to have shorter digestive tracts and if they are carnivorous animals that is incrEDIBLY THIN AND NOT FEASIBLE I JUST.

THERE'S SO MANY THIGNS WRONG WITH THESE CRETARURESMFESFERHRTHRTJ

They give me an aneurysm every time I look or think about them.

There's like a whole list of grievances I've compiled.

These could be such a great species too but they're so.

Implausible.
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
I mean they look like they are skeletons wrapped in skin..like its ribcage..then....nothing....or...almost nothing howdoorgansfitwhatdo howdotheywalkonsticklegs
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VCR-WOLFE Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Filmographer
Technically they would pretty much die the instant they hit the ground. They look like very unviable and unhealthy creatures, to be honest. They would never survive wild conditions without assistance and even then just the way they are built is like a predetermined death sentence. That and the garish colors too.

Why do you have one even.

Like.

Dude you're pretty much agreeing with me over how bad they are and yet hERE YOU ARE???
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DemonML Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
because I like drawing them :iconyoucanhasitplz: I must draw them not impossible, I will do it eventually i willllllll
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